Hellohello! This is a thread to supply some ideas I (and others) have had for pageants!

My idea: theme weeks!

• Each week, we have a variety of themes to choose from, and our pageants are subdivided into whichever theme we've entered
• I.e., three themes in a week: Custom Apparel, Jocols, and Wolves Without Apparel
• I enter a Bracchus without apparel to the “Wolves Without Apparel” theme
• My pageant is filled with other wolves under the Wolves Without Apparel theme, so I vote for other wolves without apparel

Wolf images would have to be locked on the moment of entry in some way to prevent wolves from visually changing mid-pageant! This is also useful if you, say, normally keep a wolf clothed but wanna submit it to a Wolves Without Apparel week. Remove all the apparel, submit your wolf, put apparel back on, and others only see your wolf without its apparel on so you can figure out how much people like it!

Themes would have to be pretty broad in order to avoid pageants not filling out, but I think that's doable.

Some ideas for themes: breeds, markings, custom apparel, site apparel, no-apparel, wolves in the profession that's being celebrated this week

and there can always be a miscellaneous category if people want to participate in pageant free-for-alls!

Feel free to make more pageant suggestions below!

support! pageant is a fun part of the site, i'd love to see it expanded. themed weeks would give more users a chance to show off their talents.

here for it.

I'm not so sure about this. What if somebody doesn't have any wolves that fit any of the themes? Like if they have no custom apparel, a den without a breed that got selected that week, etc... Would “wolves without apparel” occur every week?

In any case, I could imagine this would make groupings for the Pageant a lot more complicated, since people would have to pick in advance, and some groups might wind up bigger than others – which would give users in smaller groups a disproportionate chance to win. I'm also not sure what would happen for a user who was away for a while and didn't get to pick their theme in advance.

I think this would be fun, even a site-wide theme with the option to join the themed pageant or a the general one.

@Ozt good points

what if there was a consistent category for wolves with clothing vs. wolves without? or custom apparel category vs. regular? i see some bad feelings springing up from members on the site regarding wolves with CA winning over “naked” wolves (although most ppl report that they vote for both types equally, who knows how representative that really is).

not related to ozt's post, but to me the divergence in the community is a problem we need to fix early so that those feelings don't fester, regardless of where one stands on the issue of CA and whether it's pay-to-win.

I agree that a no apparel category is a good idea especially as it would help players just starting out. I also really support it taking a snapshot especially as that would help if they only have cheaper looking apparel.

Support! This would be fun and some consistent themes like no apparel, custom apparel, site apparel, etc. could help a lot with the feeling of pageants being pay-to-win.

@Wisp

That might address the question about making sure everyone can always fit at least one of the themes. I still have concerns though.

Would there be a “default” category you got sorted into if you didn't pick one in time? I expect that category would become the most crowded, resulting in a lower chance to win. This could functionally end up reproducing an unfair advantage (or even making it worse).

@Ozt

i pictured it as something we would select whenever we entered our chosen wolf and that there wouldn't be a third default category. people who join late are already disadvantaged because they miss out on votes, iirc. do you see that creating a different problem?

@Wisp

I see. I guess that way people wouldn't get locked out or automatically assigned, so maybe that addresses the issue of late signups…

I still expect that the different themes would end up with different numbers of participants, meaning broader/easier categories like “no apparel” would be harder for people to win. Maybe some folks would be okay with the tradeoff though. I dunno.